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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 05:44pm Apr 1, 2003 EST (# 10914 of 10918) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

What would people involved be proud to do?

Unless we can anchor discourse on some agreed-upon facts - set out and reinforced according to the standards that work for human beings (that is, the standards actually needed in jury trials) there is no solution. But orderly, sharp, solid solutions to problems often do happen. Often they are series solutions - successive approximations.

There's nothing inherently wrong with "endless series" solutions. All the tabulated mathematical functions are calculated with "endless" series that converge - often very nicely.

Some "infinite" repeating sequences are divergent - explosive.

Some go on an on.

But some converge - and do so very nicely. Many do, in fact. Within a region of convergence. And the needed conditions, in specific cases - are well worked out and clear.

Unless information inputs are stable there are no such solutions.

Sometimes, conditions that are similar in form, but with different coefficients, show stable, metastable, and explosive behavior in different regions for clear reasons. Chain Breakers http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee79f4e/618 deals with that.

I'm optimistic, myself - because there is a lot of damping built into the systems that involve conflict between nations. We're seeing a lot about how damped things are - and how small the body counts are - in Iraq now.

If people did some checking - we might come up with arrangements a lot better than the chaos that's sure to happen otherwise.

Some of the things on the permanent record of this thread are worth checking - and, as almarst points out - "really scary".

10766-77 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.eEUoaxhb64V.2778117@.f28e622/12316

jorian319 - 07:25pm Apr 1, 2003 EST (# 10915 of 10918)

Wondering how the world has obtained such a warped view of US intentions in Iraq?

This doesn't help. In Swaziland, their official radio network has been broadcasting "live from Bhagdad" - reports from a guy who is actually holed up in a broom closet in their own capitol!

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_766355.html?menu=news.quirkies

How many other "official sources" are people listening to?

rshow55 - 07:49pm Apr 1, 2003 EST (# 10916 of 10918) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Jonathan Steele in Damascus Monday March 31, 2003 The Guardian http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,926083,00.html

In this highly politicised city where anger over the invasion of Iraq alternates with pride in the resistance, there is one sure way to lighten the mood. Suggest that George Bush and Tony Blair launched their war because of Saddam Hussein's suspected weapons of mass destruction. Hoots of derision all round. Whether they are Syrians or members of the huge Iraqi exile community, everyone here believes this is a war for oil. In nearby Jordan and across the Arab world the view is the same.

Some suggest a second motive - Washington's desire to strengthen Israel.

There are surely media connections, in Swaziland and elsewhere - that are subject to question.

If you're wondering why much of the world is distrustful of American motivations - you might look at a number of "100% american" sources - such as this one:

FLYING INTO TURBULENCE by Peter Martin http://www.intellnet.org/news/articles/peter.martin.flying.into.turbulence.html

The United States has told so many lies, for so long, and so agressively, so arrogantly - that a lot of people are distrustful.

If you want to see why, you can also look at much of the corpus of gisterme.

10766-77 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.eEUoaxhb64V.2778117@.f28e622/12316

lchic - 08:05pm Apr 1, 2003 EST (# 10917 of 10918)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

The stop sign - has been invented - is available

http://parkingsignsbypac.safeshopper.com/353/cat353.htm?201

Many iraqi's speak English

Stop - is an international command

In Arabic - http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/1482/23154

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