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rshow55
- 01:02pm Mar 26, 2003 EST (#
10537 of 10544)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click
"rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for
on this thread.
The rest of the world is uncomfortable with the behavior of
the Bush administration for a lot of reasons - including some
valid reasons. We should fix the things that actually need to
be fixed.
Assessing Watergate 30 Years Later By RICHARD REEVES
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/23/opinion/23REEV.html
Watergate Legacy: More Than a Tired Suffix By ADAM
CLYMER http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/17/politics/17WATE.html
The Bad Old Days at the F.B.I. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/16/opinion/16SUN2.html
" New documents provide disturbing new
details of the F.B.I.'s abuse of power in the 1960's, and
they are a cautionary tale for today."
2564 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.Y9ngaHDn5Gj.1705074@.f28e622/3204
lchic - 06:34am Jun 17, 2002 EST (# 2565 of
9745) ~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~
"sluicegate post-watergate ;)
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There are things we need to fix, for a lot of reasons.
Things that Eisenhower warned about in his FAREWELL
ADDRESS of January 17, 1961. http://www.geocities.com/~newgeneration/ikefw.htmb
have happened.
And for us to deal with our real national interests, and
not make a mess - we need to deal with them - as we're
insisting that other nations and systems of nations clean up
their messes.
That would make Tony Blair's job a lot easier. And make me
a prouder American.
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If we actually started facing facts - and asked others to
do so as well - a lot could sort out into patterns much
better than those today. Doing so would be very good politics
for GWB. Failing to do so is bad politics - and failing to
defend and sustain the real interests of the United
States.
I'm doing just what I promised Casey I'd do. I only wish it
were enough . . . .
jorian319
- 01:27pm Mar 26, 2003 EST (#
10538 of 10544)
Robert, in the aggregate, we are most concerned about
ourselves - not the Iraqi people or some abstract class of
"victims of oppression".
With that in mind, I submit that our government is
currently undertaking a metamophosis that will transform it
from an insidious force eroding our rights to an aggressive
monster conspicuously and unashamedly devouring those rights
under "patriot act" type banners.
I submit that this is a clear and present danger that - to
Americans - dwarfs the dangers of Iraqi dictators, terrorism
in general, nuclear/chemical/biological threat and asteroid
impact combined. In fact, the immediate danger to our well
being may be exceeded only by the danger of fast-food.
The REALLY alarming thing about this threat is that it
mirrors a process that has been seen repeatedly throughout
history, and history has shown that it will proceed in a
one-way march that can only be halted by violent revolution.
Won't that be fun for the kids?
It is unfortunate indeed that this war in Iraq will serve
so well to accelerate the downfall of this once-great nation.
I think that is what we get for staking exclusive claim to the
"high road" and not stooping to covert - or overt -
elimination of despots. Instead we elevate them to a high
position of attention, try to rally the public and spend a
hundred billion on an attack, and every other available dime
to enable the revocation of our constitution in the name of
Homeland Security.
dccougar
- 01:43pm Mar 26, 2003 EST (#
10539 of 10544) Everyone is entitled to his own
opinion but not his own facts.
almarst2003 - 12:06am Mar 26, 2003 EST -
"The Iraqi Information Ministry claims..."
Why would anyone listen to the Iraqi "Information"
Ministry? I imagine they're about as truthful as those Iraqi
soldiers saying they want to surrender... just before they
open fire.
lchic - 07:43am Mar 26, 2003 EST - "Quote
""Even the heart of the fool and the idiot frequently beats
more accurately than that of the intelligent man, especially
the scientist. -- Vlad Parkham"
Please clarify. If you're up to it, provide observational
or logical support for such an assertion.
rshow55 - 01:00pm Mar 26, 2003 EST - "It is
in the interest of all Americans of good faith, and all
world leaders of responsibility, to establish some key facts
and relations on which important matters of world safety,
decency, and material prosperity depend."
"We should fix the things that actually need
to be fixed."
"But as Buck Showalter knows - and everybody
else knows - things matter when they matter - matter in the
ways they matter - and it is disastrous and stupid to ignore
problems that need to be faced."
So much of what you say is simply tautological. Do you have
any nontrivial positions?
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