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    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lchic - 07:43am Mar 26, 2003 EST (# 10511 of 10517)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

Quote ""Even the heart of the fool and the idiot frequently beats more accurately than that of the intelligent man, especially the scientist. -- Vlad Parkham

rshow55 - 07:48am Mar 26, 2003 EST (# 10512 of 10517) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Under Treaty of Westphalia rules, with containment the only option - we aren't supposed to care about anything that "sovereign states" do within their own borders.

By the standards of the Treaty of Westphalia - you "can't care" about what happens to Iraqi children.

The rule is "no connection at this level" - and the rule doesn't work. Practically, or morally.

1543-47 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?8@@.ee7b2bd/1705 deals with these issues, and adds things to the discusion of this board.

A fractal . . . looks the same . . . over all ranges . . of scale. http://www.math.umass.edu/~mconnors/fractal/similar/similar.html

rshow55 - 07:55am Mar 26, 2003 EST (# 10513 of 10517) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

I think there's a good deal to hope for. This, I think, is clear. Order is necessary. Symmettry and harmony as well.

That means that we can do much better than the chaos and disconnection of the Treaty of Westphalia - and that it is important that we do so.

We need to negotiate workable, just structures of international law into being. We don't have them now.

I think the text of Blair and Bush to Meet on War, Europe and Mideast By WARREN HOGE http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/25/international/worldspecial/25CND-BLAI.html sets out hopeful circumstances.

I hope Putin, other world leaders, and Blair are in good communication.

We should be able to sort things out - find better orders that are stable. I hope President Bush listens hard to PM Blair - and expect he will. I hope PM Blair negotiates well.

Because there is so much connection in the world - and some patterns of order are so powerful - if we are prepared to actually get facts straight (and simple technical facts have to be first) we can do a lot better than we're doing.

For reasons of format, only so much can be done on a board like this - and when the responses are intended to produce chaos - there is no hope at all of getting workable, stable answers.

lchic - 07:56am Mar 26, 2003 EST (# 10514 of 10517)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

There's a little concern re Turkish Army poised for attack on the northern boundary of Kurdish-Iraq

Will the French.Germans.Russians have concerns here for the Kurds?

One wonders.

lchic - 07:58am Mar 26, 2003 EST (# 10515 of 10517)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

Psycho-Warfare 1950's onwards ....

U.S. and Soviet Scientists Have Developed the Key to Consciousness for Military Purposes.

How The U.S. Government Won the Arms Race to Control Man

http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~welsh/book.htm

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