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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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- 04:14pm Mar 29, 2002 EST (#941
almarst , how about modifications of what you're saying
that are more incremental, less violent? .... Just for the sake of
dialog, let me replace some of your words and phrases with indented
"Unless the US shadow "ruling class" is
rejected. Unless the America's mass culture of arrogance,
ignorance, self-rightness and messionic zealot, coupled with
feeling of invencibility and allmightness is substantially
It seems to me that those are reasonable things to hope for, and
cold be accomplished without massive suffering and without any
really terrible consequences to the American public. Most Americans
might feel a lot better about a lot of things, pretty quickly, if
those things happened.
Almarst , as you know, I've been very concerned with a
"vast right wing conspiracy" -- dating from Eisenhower's time at the
latest, and going far beyond Scaife. I was glad to see The Smoke
Machine By PAUL KRUGMAN http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/29/opinion/29KRUG.html
which carries an important message: "that the "vast right-wing
conspiracy" is not an overheated metaphor but a straightforward
reality, and that it works a lot like a special-interest lobby."
Krugman writes in the NYT, a careful newspaper, with many working
alliances with the "American ruling classes" - and a paper which is
reasonably careful not to "bite the hand that reads it"
Injustices that seem entrenched and unchangeable sometimes change
very completely -- for a corpus showing such a process as it has
unfolded see the articles collected in Understanding Enron http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/1/Transcripts/721/4/business/_ENRON-PRIMER.html
- 04:15pm Mar 29, 2002 EST (#942
Almarst , it seems to me that there are more people in the
world working to get some of our concerns adressed than there have
ever been before, and that sometimes reasonable compromises get
fashioned, even between very imperfect people and groups.
Deal Revises Iraq Penalties By PATRICK E. TYLER
MOSCOW, March 28 - Russia and the United States
reached broad tentative agreement today on how to revise penalties
against Iraq by lifting controls altogether on thousands of food
products, aid supplies and medicines.
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Baghdad-Kuwait Accord - Support Is Rebuff to Bush's
Efforts By NEIL MacFARQUHAR http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/29/international/middleeast/29IRAQ.html
BEIRUT, Lebanon, March 28 - Saddam Hussein secured
broad Arab support today in heading off any American military
action against his country when the region's leaders declared here
that an attack on Iraq would be considered an attack against all
In return for this support, given at the close of
a two-day Arab League summit meeting, Iraq accepted policies it
had vehemently rejected in the past.
The Iraqi government agreed to recognize Kuwait as
an independent state and to not invade again.
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I was impressed by this article:
A solution is possible now Middle East negotiations
have failed. But the US can make a final deal stick by
Hussein Agha and Robert Malley Friday March 29, 2002 The
"Negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians
have now reached the point of diminishing - even negative -
returns. Rather than bringing the two sides closer, negotiations
serve to play up remaining disagreements and to play down the
broad scope of actual convergence. The time for negotiations has
ended. The parties must be presented with a non-negotiable final
It seems to me that a lot of things are sorting out - or moving
into a condition where they can be sorted out - by the real,
imperfect people who have to be involved.
Because of communications, military situations, dangerous as they
remain, are in many cases much more damped -- much less likely to be
explosive -- than they used to be. Some things are getting better --
some much better -- and there is reason to hope -- and work.
In many, many cases, "missile defense" included, there would be
much progress if people could face more facts, and lie less.
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