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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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- 10:01pm Mar 10, 2002 EST (#352
Okay, let's talk missile defense.
Tests have been conducted and successes have occurred. The
technology is improving and I have linked this discussion to
websites with technical descriptions.
You state that missile defense cannot work and offer no proof.
Where have these mythic balloons been tested?
My read of history is that most of the mass murders in the 20th
Century were produced by the communist/socialist political
philosophy which has no compunction when it comes to starvation or a
bullet in the back of the head. We've all seen the stacked skulls of
the "Killing Fields". Almarst, wasn't Pol Pot one of those acolytes
who studied and learned at the foot of Stalin or was it Lenin?
Bashing the US may be popular but it misses the point. Missile
defense works and I'm whelmed that you can't see it.
- 10:16pm Mar 10, 2002 EST (#353
Works for what? What successes are you talking about?
There are very solid reasons why countermeasures for MD are
thousands, tens of thousands, or MORE times cheaper to build than
the systems themselves.
What "successes" are you talking about? To run away from
Congressional oversight, they've classified the whole program - in
ways that indicate their successes couldn't stand the light of day.
You quibble that it is hard to put a warhead inside a reflective
balloon identical to many other reflective balloons in terms of
outside shape and reflectivity?
Balloon decoys are easy enough. - - What if you put the warhead
inside one -- (an idea that has been around a while -- discussed by
three dozen physicists who were apalled enough by the MD fraud to
visit Congress in 2000.)
Reflective materials are easy -- gold coated mylar, long used,
has reflectance of about 98% -- and plastic film coatings might well
up that reflectivity to 99.9%.
There are also BIG problems, at the computer level, even for
simple decoy schemes.
As for getting into more detail - in MD34 rshow55
I commented to manjumicha2001 that I thought the system
was, by tactical standards, as "devoid of merit as a herringfish is
of fur" -
And suggested that if he wanted to discuss why in detail, that he
might download the Coyle Report http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/nmdcoylerep.pdf
and we can get down to cases.
Mazza, why don't you download the report - read it, and tomorrow
we can get together, at a time of your convenience, and get down
- 10:17pm Mar 10, 2002 EST (#354
mazza: "Okay, let's talk missile defense... My read of history
is that most of the mass murders in the 20th Century were produced
by the communist/socialist political philosophy which has no
compunction when it comes to starvation or a bullet in the back of
the head. We've all seen the stacked skulls of the "Killing Fields".
Almarst, wasn't Pol Pot one of those acolytes who studied and
learned at the foot of Stalin or was it Lenin?"
Hard to let go?;)
Assuming you are right, you forgot that I do not defend any
crimes and any misdeeds. You, on the other hand, seems to defend the
crimes of US "because others also commited the crimes". If that
comes from the Jesus's ideas, could you point me the source?
And, mazza, as you read the history, its useful not only to list
the facts but to try and understand the context and the reasons. In
my hamble view, the US was may be the only major country to avoid
being criminal. Its past crimes are the least justifiable. Its
intentions - unjustifiable at all. Not by any reading of Crist!
- 10:18pm Mar 10, 2002 EST (#355
A lot of background and references for the issues involved are
set out in MD84 rshow55
3/2/02 10:52am .
NONE of the MD systems that have been discussed on the MD thread
have any technical merit at all, from any reasonable tactical
- 10:19pm Mar 10, 2002 EST (#356
Bush's Endless War - http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/030802a.html
A recent Gallup poll of the Muslim world finds a growing
resentment of the U.S. As Bush expands the war beyond Afghanistan,
some are beginning to wonder whether military strikes are making
matters worse. By Sam Parry. March 8, 2002
- 10:20pm Mar 10, 2002 EST (#357
3/10/02 10:17pm seems entirely right and fair to me.
- 10:21pm Mar 10, 2002 EST (#358
Countries - if judged from a 'quality of life' perspective - then
how does the US stand up?
Look for unnecessary and preventable deaths ... have more people
in the US died from gun shot wounds then in the killing fields of
Cambodia - perhaps they HAVE!
- 10:24pm Mar 10, 2002 EST (#359
Modern countries want their people to enjoy life to the highest
standards and of the best quality.
That the US has the arrogance to focus directly NuKes on capital
cities such as Moscow, Beijing, Baghdad, Terhan, P'yongyang it can
expect the people therein to be extremely 'angry'!
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