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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
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- 12:08pm Mar 6, 2002 EST (#239
The Core of Muslim Rage by THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/06/opinion/06FRIE.html
This is a profound piece, and though it doesn't speak of missile
defense, it does speak about how decisive patterns of emotion and
ideas, including fictions, can be in matters of conflict.
To make peace, people have to understand how natural and powerful
rage is, how natural it is for people to fight when they are
threatened, how difficult, awkward, and "unnatural" it is to back
out of fights - - and how easily escalatory sequences can careen
toward escalation to the point of extermination.
We've seen case after case, and are seeing many cases now, where
people are acting "irrationally" and "illogically."
We need, I think, to be clearer about some basic things about how
human rationality and logic work.
When pressed, people fight -- and when in fights, they seldom run
if they are decently motivated and led at all. "Logic", in times of
conflict, often seems like a machine for moving people to violence.
Moreover, suicidal bravery is absolutely natural human behavior, and
something to be expected.
Ideas are key. And exits, that permit people to survive --
are essential, and take work and care to arrange.
- 12:17pm Mar 6, 2002 EST (#240
in this program:
The question is
- when does the futility of a situation dawn? There's a feeling
abroad that the USA should do more to bring this matter to a
- 12:28pm Mar 6, 2002 EST (#241
That the USA should do more is also within F's piece > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/06/opinion/06FRIE.html
The hell downward spiral is just beginning in the ME, as various
warLords devise their own logic-criteras away from Palestinian
official leadership constraints.
It all comes back to the need to develop modern economies in the
Arab world .. which in turn would enable education, training, and
higher living standards ... with which follow smaller family size
enabling populations to increase their average age and weight
towards stability and wisdom.
- 12:30pm Mar 6, 2002 EST (#242
I very much agree - - but they need to understand how - -
much too often, they've proceeded, in the middle east and elsewhere,
as if they had a sign switched - they've done exactly the wrong
things, or made exactly the wrong assumptions.
The Palestinians and the Israelis both need "peace with
For that to be possible, a lot has to be understood - - some
"sentimentally" -- some not sentimentally at all.
People are "rational" up to a point -- but they are also fighting
animals - - and that needs to be remembered.
Some of the wars, and the peacemaking, that occurred from
Aristotle's time to about fifty years after the death of Alexander
the Great is instructive -- both in terms of the worst that human
beings (including Americans) can do - - and in terms of some very
rational peacemaking that worked in its own terms.
- 12:32pm Mar 6, 2002 EST (#243
We, as a nation, need to learn how to make peace, so that
it is stable - - with people as they actually are, and with history
as unchangeable as it is.
The stunt of "missile defense" will never offer us much
protection. But if we learned how to make peace, and keep peace --
- 12:33pm Mar 6, 2002 EST (#244
Didn't these wars often involve an objective/purpose? rshow55
Is there such in the current ME crisis?
- 12:34pm Mar 6, 2002 EST (#245
- the small hours downUnder.
- 12:35pm Mar 6, 2002 EST (#246
Lchic , rationality is part of it. But not all of it.
If rationality had been sufficient, or even dominant, Clinton
would have succeeded. You may notice that he didn't.
Everything he worried about was essential.
But to try to solve things on the basis of mutual trust, or
"making friends" - - left out a lot that is also essential.
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