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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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- 06:03pm Mar 2, 2002 EST (#123
Almarst , I'm still thinking about your request for an
explanation of the US military-industrial complex - - trying to be
useful, even graceful -- and that's a strain for me. Won't get
something that satisfies me till tomorrow. The clearest point, it
seems to me, is that the key issues have to be staffed to the
point that understanding is both clear and sure.
manjumicah2001 also asked a question about interdiction.
I've thought at good deal, first and last, about ways to kill people
-- but think, on this one, that if you want an answer in much
detail, you ought to call me on the telephone. Though I'll give you
some more general answers tomorrow. One point is that Alan Bloom,
who has always wanted to be a reincarnation of Aristotle, is
connected to a philosopher who helped produce one of the true
monsters of all time - Alexander the Great. Sometimes,
Wolfowitz reminds me, in unpleasant ways, of an Aristotelian
- 06:04pm Mar 2, 2002 EST (#124
"folks in power display lack of empathy with the human
condition - life!"
Could it be a reason they come to power?
- 06:07pm Mar 2, 2002 EST (#125
Showalter the great story Cassablanca is covered here http://www.fortunecity.com/lavendar/ducksoup/555/storyshape.html
- 06:09pm Mar 2, 2002 EST (#126
Those in power failing to display empathy are the elite power-men
of the USA.
Their road to power isn't democratic.
To be President or live under the presidential shadow there's a
large $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ element - that comes for 'vague' sources
... the President then picks a team --- none of whom are elected!
- 06:12pm Mar 2, 2002 EST (#127
Don't know - isn't an excuse!
In those positions they have to know, do know, but pretend they
don't. These folks HAVE responsibilities - they know !
- 06:19pm Mar 2, 2002 EST (#128
All knew about what is going on from the very beginning. The
Pentagon had even a mock of a concentraition camp with all its
"essential facilities". There where just a fiew of a main camps and
the railroad lines connecting. The US-British bombers flew almost
daily overhead to bomb the German cities. Not a single time even
attempting to bomb the roads. Or the camps.
- 06:27pm Mar 2, 2002 EST (#129
"Their road to power isn't democratic."
In a country where the $=vote!
Nowdays it is called the "free speech". By the US Supreme Court!
Quite astonishing. The more money one has - the more powerful
LOUDSPEAKER (media time)it can buy. And then - Welcome to the
"democratic" competition of the IDEAS.
- 06:59pm Mar 2, 2002 EST (#130
3/2/02 6:19pm , you make good points about responsibility.
And nuclear war would be worse than anything the Germans did in
"Erica Goode's IDEAS AND TRENDS piece Hey, What
if Contestants Give Each Other Shocks? deals with issues of
concern to most people I know, and shows a case where scientific
information can give evidence on an issue about humanity, and one
particularly troubling. During WWII, what did the Germans know,
and when did they know it? Who was a responsible actor, and in
what sense can these words be used?" rshowalter
"Science in the News" 8/29/00 7:26am
"Populations with competent militaries know
everything they have to in order to support what is done. This
goes for Americans, and goes, emphatically, for the German
military (all of it) the German bureacracies (all of them) and the
German people (just about everybody) during the Nazi era. ...."
"The ignorance defense so many Germans claim, in
the fuzzy way in which they claim it, makes no logical or
emotional sense to me. To the degree that people were responsible
members of German society during this time, they needed to know
enough for the complex cooperation, and focused and mutual
coercion, that they actually showed. (That is, everybody had to
know practically everything, except for details of execution.) rshowalter
"Science in the News" 8/29/00 8:03am
In the same way, Americans, and especially Americans responsible
for military action, must know - must be responsible for, the risks
they take with atomic weapons.
- 07:05pm Mar 2, 2002 EST (#131
3/2/02 6:27pm . . . money counts for getting ideas across - - -
there has to be enough. But the amount required may be tiny, for
effects achieved. Some other times, no amount of money is enough to
Sometimes ideas are the most important things of all.
. . . .
Ideas and money are linked -- power and the money connected to
power depend on systems of ideas and beliefs.
The connections aren't always simple.
But good arguments, and good presentation, make a difference.
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