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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI all over again?

rshowalter - 05:24pm Sep 22, 2001 EST (#9697 of 9710)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

I think the idea that the idea that Mankind's Inhumanity to Man and Woman is as natural as human goodness is a FACT - a fact that could be established by checking (there isn't all that much of a data shortage on the subject) -- and we'd be safer if we knew it. http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7b085/0

The beautiful things we do wouldn't be a bit less beautiful if we knew this. But we'd be safer otherwise.

lunarchick - 05:25pm Sep 22, 2001 EST (#9698 of 9710)
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Watching those enslaved to the doctrine of the Taliban using their bodies to rote lean and imprint teaching .. rshowalter 9/22/01 5:19pm .. does raise the question .. how difficult to bring these people through seven centuries of the mind -within their lifetime.

lunarchick - 05:26pm Sep 22, 2001 EST (#9699 of 9710)
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rshowalter 9/22/01 5:24pm The recent Angier article fits here ... did you have a link?

rshowalter - 05:31pm Sep 22, 2001 EST (#9700 of 9710)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

Here's a major thing that make our animal inhumanity happen easily - - and makes it hard for us to be "human" to each other.

It is hard . . logically hard, for us to imagine that other people can really be people in any way like ourselves.

A big reason is that people are so complicated - - think how long it took you to become you. For some sense of that - - reading something like Piaget can help. We all thought long and hard, to get to be as human as we are.

It is much easier -- in the sense of logically simpler - - to think of other people as "animals". And once that happens, interactions are very likely to lead to fights.

And "righteous", murderous anger.

. . . .

In order to get to "imagine" another person as a real person, like oneself in enough ways for comfortable interaction, it takes a lot of talking or many assumptions of some of both.

rshowalter - 05:32pm Sep 22, 2001 EST (#9701 of 9710)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

9298-9301, I think - - let me check.

rshowalter - 05:36pm Sep 22, 2001 EST (#9702 of 9710)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

Starting at 9299 .rshowalter 9/17/01 3:38pm

Of Altruism, Heroism and Evolution's Gifts in the Face of Terror By NATALIE ANGIER http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/18/health/psychology/18ALTR.html

lunarchick - 05:42pm Sep 22, 2001 EST (#9703 of 9710)
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So from the above, it could be deduced that the 'terrorists' believe they are sacrificing themselves for the furtherance of their group.

Idenitify the group or groups .. and start to talk and negotiate with the leaders .. for a C21 solution for stability.

lunarchick - 06:39pm Sep 22, 2001 EST (#9704 of 9710)
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Travelling Through the Looking Glass re Altruism then:

The anti-US incidents of terrorism that have happened in the recent past on foreign soils (of often desparate peoples) .. seem to stem back to them in their hopelessness calling up the - 'Bank of Terrorism' to carry out a deed sufficient to cause US retreat. (1) http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?13@@.ee8de48/32 see here following posts and 82. The emperors new clothes site lists CIA foreign policy - note why it has upset so many.

lunarchick - 06:43pm Sep 22, 2001 EST (#9705 of 9710)
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Seems that the impoverished may have started to turn to the 'Terrorist Bank' - a reminder here of a recent comment on terrorism curtailment being likened to trying to eradicate a building of cockroaches .. one is killed - yet there are many more - endlessly in the building.

The same for Terrorism where it has been set up as a bank that can be called upon to deliver sharp shocks to the US.

Money can be deployed - endlessly - to sting a perceived enemy.

Giving the edict that

Terrorism can't be killed

If this is reality then what to do?

lunarchick - 06:58pm Sep 22, 2001 EST (#9706 of 9710)
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What would KOKO do? Explored July4th MD6559-97. KOKO the Gorilla is 95% the same as man - reacts - has empathy. While KOKO is still a simple being, man has become complex ... within complexity the root causes of an issue can be lost. Man has to resort too often to 'experts' rather than active learning - finding solutions from within the group. lunarchick 7/4/01 8:27pm

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