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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI all over again?

lunarchick - 08:45pm Aug 21, 2001 EST (#7962 of 7969)
lunarchick@www.com

Were Palmore to have followed this thread he'd note that the senario of the actual game being played out for real, when, an incoming missile registered on the Moscow monitor ... and the operator deferred - not sending return missiles!

Placebo: quote:

'obviously one group is not going to spend money trying to launch an ICBM. They’re going to do one of the many other things. That’s the point that we raise in the paper: that protection is a placebo'

Implying there are dummy missiles ?

Or, leaving open the backdoor 'briefcase' route?

One notes the game theory approached moved off-shore to the UK journal ... would game theory be retrospectively 'classified' in the USA?

http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/covers/carfax/07430175.jpg http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/frameloader.html?http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/carfax/07430175.html

McKinsey, John Charles C. (1952), Introduction to the Theory of Games. New York: McGraw-Hill Book Co. 1 .. 2

lunarchick - 08:49pm Aug 21, 2001 EST (#7963 of 7969)
lunarchick@www.com

The game theory approach above - doesn't cover big mathematical question .. why were the Marshall Is. recent launch and missile fitted with Global Positioning Satellite devices ?

rshowalter - 09:01pm Aug 21, 2001 EST (#7964 of 7969)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

"game playing" is a phrase that can be used in a number of ways. With 1500$/year spent for every man, woman, and child in the United States, we ought not to be "playing games" as we are. Especially with consequences so lethal.

rshowalter - 09:03pm Aug 21, 2001 EST (#7965 of 7969)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

I'm working through a lot of stuff -- because things can be checked.

Have some thoughts for now.

We need solutions that make sense (analytical sense, and emotional sense too). We need solutions that are proportionate -- graceful -- beautiful.

The magic of "classification" is overdone. The main thing about classification, as applied to nuclear weapons, is that EVERYTHING has been hidden, and we are taking more things on faith than has been done ANYWHERE ELSE in American society.

Bob Kerrey made that point very effectively in

ARMED TO EXCESS http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/02/opinion/02KERR.html

Kerrey says:

" The risk of a nuclear attack still poses the greatest single threat to our survival."

and the system is grossly irrational -- a mess -- ugly, dangerous, and out of proportion.

Sometimes high-flown "academic" discussions miss basic points that even a monkey could see. MD6578 rshowalter 7/4/01 9:12pm

rshowalter - 09:04pm Aug 21, 2001 EST (#7966 of 7969)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

I think the "Koko series"
MD6559 lunarchick 7/4/01 8:27pm to MD6597 rshowalter 7/4/01 10:23pm
fits and is entertaining here.

rshowalter - 09:05pm Aug 21, 2001 EST (#7967 of 7969)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

MD6345 rshowalter 6/30/01 4:02pm

rshowalter - 09:06pm Aug 21, 2001 EST (#7968 of 7969)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

MD6552 rshowalter 7/4/01 1:41pm ... MD6553 rshowalter 7/4/01 3:28pm
contains this:

"With the ingenuity the Bush administration is now devoting to making its case for missile defense (and you have to credit them with ingenuity and initiative on this) they could probably figure out how to achieve real peace, solve the global warming problem, and assure the whole world an adequate and safe energy supply, forever.

"They'd get a lot more credit for that than they're getting for what they're now doing.

MD6554 rshowalter 7/4/01 3:46pm

MD6555 rshowalter 7/4/01 4:19pm ... MD6556 rshowalter 7/4/01 4:19pm

I'm hopeful -- and have plenty more to do in the morning. Out for tonight.

wrcooper - 09:23pm Aug 21, 2001 EST (#7969 of 7969)

Bob:

Exactly how would you go about discovering classified information concerning Bush's missile defense plan. You said above that there are ways to do that. Just curious.

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