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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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- 09:00am Jul 31, 2001 EST (#7641
Dawn's cites in MD7637 lunarchick
7/31/01 8:22am illustrate the hard work, and human creativity,
that is often needed, and sometimes found, to make the complex
fit in people's minds. And the work that is needed to determine
truth, under adversarial circumstances, with high stakes.
The stakes are as high as they can be here.
7/30/01 6:49pm . . . MD7624 gisterme
7/30/01 8:13pm ...
The stakes are high here, at a number of levels -- and questions
of bad faith are involved -- especially in the United States, a
society where 1500$/year is spent for every man, woman and child --
but a place where the justifications of that expenditure have
not been clear for a long time. And the consequences of US military
action, now and in the past, are not completely understood, either
at the level of facts, or at the level of moral relations.
7/30/01 5:24pm ... MD7599 rshowalt
7/30/01 5:44pm ...
The United States is deeply straining, and destroying,
longstanding relationships in part to support missile defense -- to
the point of showing itself willing to reject the rule of law as a
restraint on what the United States does, or admits as fact .... . .
OpEd ... Noblesse Oblige By THOMAS L.
.... "After the Bush team offered no alternatives to Kyoto,
there is a real disagreement about what it means for America to be
the world's leader."
If other nation states care, and they should, some essential
issues are going to get checked. It will take some power, formal and
informal, perhaps public, perhaps private - - to get some core facts
straight. Because people long committed to a "culture of lying" are
going to have to be forced to expose things that cannot stand the
light of day. Power relations depend on ideas, MD7078-79 rshowalter
7/16/01 9:54am ... and the issues here are important enough that
checking should be very important to nations all over the world.
They should be vital to people who care about the United States.
- 09:07am Jul 31, 2001 EST (#7642
The point re kyoto is that the USA makes 25% of the dirty
air - carbon pollution. Then, rather than take responsibility to do
something, it points the the third world (who make little pollution)
saying 'what about them' .. hardly leadership!
- 09:14am Jul 31, 2001 EST (#7643
More than 20 people are being held hostage by heavily armed men -
thought to be Chechen separatists - on a bus near an airport in
southern Russia http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1465000/1465949.stm
- 09:16am Jul 31, 2001 EST (#7644
No foreign power could be weakening the United States as quickly
and decisively as the Bush administration is doing. Breaking so many
promises made since World War II -- throwing away all the old
reasons why people used to defer to the United States. Degrading the
And showing many delusional structures that are becoming
painfully clear to the rest of the world --- vitiating any claim the
US may have to leadership that requires judgement - -
as all leadership worth following does.
- 09:23am Jul 31, 2001 EST (#7645
WRT evidence, juries and law:
If everything was clear and straight forward, there wouldn't need
to be a jury. The facts would speak for themselves. That 12 humans
have to be marshalled into a court room to determine (in/accurately)
evidence .. suggests that cases can be a puzzel to sort out. Even
so, juries are often wrong. This occurs when scientific evidence is
presented to them without interpretation ... or with varied
interpretations -- which the individual/tearm can't fully
- 09:28am Jul 31, 2001 EST (#7646
Letter to America : I thought Alister Cooke was wrong re
his saying that Bush had a 57% popularity factor - still, i believe
we posted here that it fell to 54%, and now it's down further to
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