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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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- 10:10am Jul 30, 2001 EST (#7604
Moral education and ethics are important. But not just for
soldiers - or even primarily for soldiers.
A central issue is the moral sense of the population of the
world at large, and especially of influential people.
Human beings, either adults or children, who have already
murdered, or joined groups of murderers, or who have trained, for
years, for mass murder, or associated intimately with those who
have, are the hardest to restrain.
Though trying to have them restrain themselves is important.
The idea that deaths by military action are unfortunate, and to
be actively avoided, and that organized murder is to be discouraged,
must be much more widely held.
People "turn a blind eye" much too easily. And actively look for
more decent accomodations too seldom.
The press, which presents an agenda that passes before people's
eyes, that people consider, has a big role here, or should.
- 10:13am Jul 30, 2001 EST (#7605
Gearing up this way for the Commonwealth Conference - protesters
are noting that Human Rights are not what they should be in
Malaysia, Zambia .. etc ..
No wonder Lizzy wears white gloves for handshaking!
- 10:24am Jul 30, 2001 EST (#7606
Hard for people genrally to know - in advance, that's when they
are young - if they'll be influential. Therefore the moral education
has to be universal - just in case someone does get to be
influential .. in any sphere of life.
Reality TV has been the world rage - the morality factor was
'high', they were intimidated and inhibited to some degree, when
they were 'filmed' constantly. http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/
see 'Reality Check'
- 10:36am Jul 30, 2001 EST (#7607
With the internet, it is easier for people to watch each other,
harder to hide things. And television has been important, too.
So conditions for a more decent world are coming into place.
There's a situation that I'd call a "God send" if I were a
church-goer -- certainly an opportunity.
First, the Bush administration is alienating large fractions of
the rest of the world - and clearly discrediting many of the ideas
it stands for, including unilateral military domination (sometimes
with a smiling face.)
Secondly, the military-industrial-complex in the United States
has gotten itself into, and committed to, some huge, longstanding
patterns of fraud, that are so basic and widespread that they are
not impossible to check. Once these patterns are checked (and
missile defense is a prime example, but not the only one) some
patterns that have been degrading the United States, and making it
poorer, and degrading the whole world, and impoverishing it, are
going to be discredited. Or, with couraged, can be discredited.
Honorable people, including honorable military people, should be
for the truth here, and reasonably proportionate arrangements,
rather than arrangements based on dangerous lies and fraud.
If nation states outside the United States wanted checking of
these matters to happen, it would happen.
Once the facts were clearly enough established, so that
the truth ceased to be "somehow, too weak" the United States
could and would sort itself out.
- 10:37am Jul 30, 2001 EST (#7608
The world needs military balances. With human beings as dangerous
as they are, soldiers have necessary work to do. But the American
military has grown, and continues, out of proportion, and exists on
bases of doctrine and lies that produce responses out of proportion
to any reasonable interest of the United States, or the rest of the
For that reason, among others, showing the fraud of the Missile
Defense program is important.
It is part of a larger picture. There are plenty of things wrong,
all over the world, and Americans have a right to criticise them.
But there are some major, and essential flaws with American military
doctrine and actions, and it is important that these be fixed.
An enormous amount of the work of the "military industrial
complex" has been intellectually and technically corrupt, and
ineffectual. We are dealing with frauds here, and some people who
have been given high status actually deserve to be shunned.
That notion should become more widespread in the world based
on evidence that can be checked, and contested, in detail, in
public, with enough breadth to the examination that closure can
reasonably occur. Jury trials have served this purpose for
years. With the internet, and some conventions, it is going to be
possible to do a similarly thorough job on some very big, very
- 11:53am Jul 30, 2001 EST (#7609
The Presidentís plan is most feasible and realistic. One should
take notice that only left-wingers argue against it.
I'm very happy that we finally have a President that puts our
interests ahead of China, Cuba, Iraq, Iran and other totalitarian
- 12:38pm Jul 30, 2001 EST (#7610
The missile defense shield will be costing us lots of money and
even more time than first thought. But what exactly is the price tag
on an American city and millions of people?
James Ziolkowski Buffalo NY email@example.com ten year Navy
- 03:59pm Jul 30, 2001 EST (#7611
"The missile defense shield will be costing us lots of money
and even more time than first thought. But what exactly is the price
tag on an American city and millions of people?..."
Great point jimmyz! That's really the bottom line. It turns out
that $100,000.00 over 10 years amounts to about $5 per month per
American. That's less than a pack of cigarettes or about the same as
a six-pack. I'll gladly support spending that much to save a single
city anywhere. That's not extravagance or fraud. That's a
small sacrefice that many would call compassion. Why some folks
would be so ingenerous as to risk a city anywhere just to
promote their political agenda is beyond me. Just for five bucks a
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