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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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- 08:22am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7449
Professor Alan Roberts (International Relations Oxfd) talking
with nbr, noted the reluctance of America to adopt treaties along
with it's allies. He spoke of America as regarding the rest of the
world as hateful, sinful, a bunch of layabouts - a view point
beautifully illustrated here : levin81
- 08:36am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7450
Back to that $1500 per head per year - every year - year-in
year-out - expenditure on Defence.
Mystro a drum roll for these big-ticket items in procurement for
the military industrial complex:
F/A-18E/FReading from the page - the
same page everyone - can anyone pick 'winners' from the above ?
Joint Strike Fighter
C-17 Transport Aircraft
RAH-66 Comanche Helicopter
Crusader Artillery System
NSSN New Attack Submarine ("Virginia" Class)
National Missile Defense (BMD)
- 08:52am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7451
Not a single one of them is worthwhile from the viewpoint of a
reasonable United States citizen, unconnected with the military or
military contractors. The aircraft are not needed to respond to any
credible threat -- and with advances in radar that are now either in
place or possible, none are even viable. The Osprey is grossly
defective. We don't need another submarine for either defensive or
offensive purposes -- though the Navy and the contractors may want
We have good artillery now -- and as I remember, the Crusader may
be being phased out -- a good decision.
NONE of the above are projects that American citizens are
enthusiastic about -- the military doesn't even bother to "sell"
them very hard.
Missile Defense is different. It makes sense to people -- it
promises something people would like to have. But it doesn't work
technically, and can't -- and it is associated with prohibitive
diplomatic and financial costs.
No winners in the list above -- except for the
- 08:54am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7452
7/26/01 8:22am There is a faction of "conservative"
opinion in the United States, backed by many in the federal
government, that holds the rest of the world, including American
allies, in contempt.
" to the extent that the US takes positions,
practical and moral, such as the one expressed in a place where US
government involvement is to be presumed, in FLYING INTO
TURBULENCE by Peter Martin http://www.intellnet.org/news/articles/peter.martin.flying.into.turbulence.html
the United States will be showing the world that it does not
deserve a leadership role where either moral or practical
judgement is concerned. If Martin's sort of view is the kind that
the United States shows in words and action, the rest of the
world, with plenty of checks and balances available to it, will
act on that knowledge.
But the administration is more diverse than that, and
gisterme expressed a desire for accomodation on this thread
that was interesting, and in some ways hopeful. MD5617 gisterme
6/20/01 10:14pm .
" People don't just automatically know how to
get along with each other, especially those from different
cultures...they have to learn. It seems the same is true with
" If there is to be "accomodation" it must be
bilateral. That's called cooperation. No sense of unilateral
boot-licking or condesension comes to mind with the term
"cooperation". Wouldn't you agree, Robert? "
Something else may come harder. What about questions of
Can missile defense work? As a technical matter?
Reasonable conduct depends on right answers about this, among
other things, and accomodations that seem "beautiful" on the basis
of wrong assumptions may be ugly, instead.
The United States needs to show respect for the
intelligence of the the human beings who are its citizens,
and for other people in the world, and come to accomodations on the
basis of facts, not patterns that are, in Friedman's phrase,
- 09:11am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7453
$'s >> community alternatives <<
- 09:20am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7454
Japan - Sony - fall in profits .... Japanese economy is down .. a
good time for Whale Watchers to put boycott pressures on them.
- 09:28am Jul 26, 2001 EST (#7455
The move towards 'clean' air within nations will be good for the
world. Rogue countries may be reluctant to join such agreements. To
their techological detriment. The answer may be for all countries to
be measured against an agreed national index. Then in the same way
that www.transparency.com looks at honesty v graft and corruption,
an index re ecology could be established.
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