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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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- 11:00am Jul 25, 2001 EST (#7429
The administration is saying some wishful, inconsistent, crazy
things, about a technical program that does not work, and shows no
possibility of doing so. .... MD7425 lunarchick
7/25/01 8:58am Rice has a problem, and she's spent her whole
professional life finding "good reasons" to threaten the Russians
with nuclear weapons, and to resist arms control.
Now, she's looking for reframings -- and the Russians are too.
Maybe they'll get somewhere. In the real, complex situation, they
have room to maneauver, if they are prepared to deal with the
complex facts as they are, and not insist on old, wrong,
oversimplified, lethal models.
Another word for "reframing" is "secular redemption." The
situation between the US and Russia is a mess, and the perils of
nuclear destruction are terribly serious, but the situation is not
beyond redemption. But some ideas are going to have to be
That's been talked about on this thread a good deal.
Problems in China are analogous, and related to these issues,
which involve balances. China knows better than to do what
she's doing on human rights -- and sometimes that is clear.
. Daring to Shoulder Historical Responsibility:
Way to Become Big Political Power" ... http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200104/18/eng20010418_67992.html
. WHEN LIES KILL: In China, the Right to Truth
Meets Life and Death by ERIK ECKHOLM http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/17/weekinreview/17ECKH.html
Chinese problems are in the news today, and the subject of a
Chinese Injustice http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/25/opinion/25WED2.html
Beijing Sentences 2 Chinese U.S. Residents to Prison By CRAIG S.
On human rights, and on the suppression of ideas, directly and
indirectly, China knows better than it does, and Russians and
Americans should know better, too. . . . . MD6759 rshowalter
- 11:03am Jul 25, 2001 EST (#7430
... ... Japan
and international cooperation.
- 11:04am Jul 25, 2001 EST (#7431
Here are some links on issues of reframing that are needed in
missile defense, and the related questions of military balances:
7/10/01 6:33pm . . . MD6511-6513 rshowalter
7/3/01 4:28pm . . . MD6367 rshowalter
We need redemptive and detonative solutions, senses
set out in two expository poems:
Secular Redemption ...
Chain Breakers ... http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee79f4e/618
Such reframings and adjustments take a while, because there are
so many chain breakers. Sometimes accomodations have to be made
where there is awkwardness and some wrong on all sides.
6/28/01 4:32pm ... MD6233 rshowalter
6/28/01 4:35pm ... MD6235 rshowalter
6/28/01 4:46pm ...
Maybe a suggestion by gisterme might make some sense now.
The issue I'd be most concerned with, personally, if finding ways
to get things checked.
There are different points of view , at the level of paradigm
conflicts , around missile defense. And they get in the way of hope,
and safety, and progress. Some of them aren't simple, and they
aren't entirely logical.
It seems to me that some of them connect to an eloquent and
profound OpEd piece by
Senator Zell Miller, of Georgia . . .
The Democratic Party's Southern Problem http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/04/opinion/04MILL.html
There are ideas and feelings in conflict, for a lot of reasons.
The administration is doing and saying some crazy, inconsistent
things. In times of paradigm crisis, that sort of thing happens, and
can be a healthy sign. . . . MD6012-3 rshowalter
In times where basic ideas have to be rethought - a crucial stage
occurs when a group of people organize who do not believe the old
That is happening. MD7378 rshowalter
7/24/01 10:57am Ministers and officials from countries all
over the world are now prepared to laugh at the United States, and
boo US representatives, in public conferences.
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