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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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- 09:52am Jul 23, 2001 EST (#7328
A huge triumph for international law, and the ablity of the world
at large to agree, and a huge loss of face for the United States.
For many years, the US has won many concessions, saying simply that
it was indispensible. Other nations are learning how to go around
the United States -- and are not deferring as they used to.
Bonn Summit Reaches Deal on Kyoto Accord By REUTERS http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world/world/environment-deal.html
Nations Wrangle in an All-Night Marathon on Climate Treaty
by ANDREW C. REVKIN http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/23/international/23CLIM.html
8 Months Later, Talks on Climate Treaty Restart, Now in
Bonn by ANDREW C. REVKIN http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/20/science/earth/20CLIM.html
Frustrated Europeans Set to Battle U.S. on Climate by
EDMUND L. ANDREWS http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/16/science/16CLIM.html
The rest of the world ought to be proud, and the Bush
administration ought to be ashamed, to see this happening in this
way, with the US isolated, selfish, and acting the role of a pariah
that deserves to be bypassed
- 10:02am Jul 23, 2001 EST (#7329
Suppose that the world, equally united, chose to
curtail United States military power, and chose to penalize uses
of it that they disliked? How effective could they be?
It would take a great deal of study to even
classify at a high level of aggregation all the ways there would
be of doing it. In many negotiated working-out of this sort of
thing, at many steps, the US would be faced with a choice of
declaring war on the whole world, or losing power. After a few
such steps -- there might be little unilateral American
military power left, except for the threat of destroying the whole
The Bush administration has to make friends, and it has to
justify what it does, not only to Americans, but to other
nations as well.
If it chooses not to, the rest of the world, now much more
unified than it was a few months ago, will have some motivations to
deal with American military postures as the public health threats,
and frauds, that they sometimes are.
- 10:09am Jul 23, 2001 EST (#7330
" the words I value most on this thread are the
words of the "stand-ins" in this thread . . . becq ,
almarst and gisterme . . - - I'm interested in their
ideas, and hopeful that, if they keep talking, and seeing things,
maybe they can come to new ways of thinking, that fit needs better
than the old ways do. Ways of thinking and seeing that didn't
exist before. If those ways got born, focused and became simple
and clear, maybe the ideas could be communicated to real actors on
the world stage. If so, maybe the world might be a safer place
So Dawn and I keep talking.
Sometimes, it has seemed to me that new reasons for hope have
been taking shape. I have that feeling today. .
- 10:16am Jul 23, 2001 EST (#7331
Showalter, one of the points i've made on this thread, is the
failure to put a value on the individual.
Stephen KING (novelist) hit by a vehicle in the early Ninties has
come out today and put a value on himself in relation to loss of
earnings through incapacity (to author), loss of income from sales
of books (unwritten) - he says he's down by almost $80 million.
So, if one (exceptional) individual has a worth of $80m over a
decade, then why is it that International Military Strategists
regard 'war and peace' as a game, rather than an economic fact of
Harry Dukes lost his life as a Prisoner of War (POW) WWII .. his
daughter knew the value of the father she was denied .. and for
everyone unnecessarily killed there are families who know the price
and value of their loss. lunarchick
7/19/01 3:31am ~ King
- 10:21am Jul 23, 2001 EST (#7332
On keeping the synergy flowing Showalter, this post asked you
questions ... as yet unanswered - lunarchick
- 10:42am Jul 23, 2001 EST (#7333
Nite RS &
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