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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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- 03:28pm Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7241
rshowalter - 03:22pm Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7240 of 7240)
Your in love with your own words.
- 03:47pm Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7242
From becq's reference
TEAM W by Jacob Heilbrunn http://www.thenewrepublic.com/magazines/tnr/current/heilbrunn092799.html
" (Rice) told me, "I read early on and was
influenced by [Hans] Morgenthau," who wrote the realist bible
Politics Among Nations. Morgenthau didn't believe that nations
should go on ideological crusades or attempt to promote human
rights in other countries. He saw the cold war not so much as a
contest between communism and democracy but as something more
antiseptic--a struggle between two rival continental nations who
simply had clashing national interests. "
A problem with thought on this scale, if it is used exclusively,
is that it can lead to positions, like Kissinger's, that can, in
Friedman's words "make Machiavelli sound like one of the Sister's
- 03:58pm Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7243
rshowalter - 03:47pm Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7242 of 7242)
The problem you have with Morgenthau is that morality does not
exist in the equation. The use of it undermines the entire state and
overextends the nation. Thus, your entire being and existence on
this forum for all this time, and for the thousands of useless posts
you dribble out-is questioned by one simple concept.
- 04:02pm Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7244
Bush and Powell perform like Dumb & Dumber in their warning
to Russia that they are going ahead with their missile shield
Tinkertoy nonsense! The upsetting aspe3ct od all this is the
arrogance of the two of them, as if somebody appointed them God and
Deputy God! Their hubris is so great they are digging their own
graves. No way will Bush win a second term with his "attitude"
- 04:06pm Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7245
mcgarveypatrick - 04:02pm Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7244 of 7244)
Sadly Americans don't care about foreign policy when it comes to
elections. Unless of course it is to extract American boys out of a
- 04:32pm Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7246
Americans could do with more of a sense of risk. What Bush and
Powell are doing, whatever their intentions, is decreasing US
security -- and reducing US prestige, as well.
- 04:36pm Jul 19, 2001 EST (#7247
7/19/01 3:28pm , aka becq said I was in love with my own
words -- and sometimes, after polishing, I enjoy them. Though
they'll never lay down as well as the words of some professional
writers do, or as cleanly as many other people's words do.
And I'll never research with the dash and genius of Dawn Riley,
either. I love her words and citations -- and the many ways
she makes the world a bigger, brighter, more interesting place.
But the words I value most on this thread are the words of the
"stand-ins" in this thread . . . becq , almarst and
gisterme . . - - I'm interested in their ideas, and hopeful
that, if they keep talking, and seeing things, maybe they can come
to new ways of thinking, that fit needs better than the old ways do.
Ways of thinking and seeing that didn't exist before. If those ways
got born, focused and became simple and clear, maybe the ideas could
be communicated to real actors on the world stage. If so, maybe the
world might be a safer place.
I was glad to say some things on September 25, 2000, some of them
concise -- but was especially glad to interact with the powerful
ideas of becq between MD266 rshowalt
9/25/00 7:32am and MD304 rshowalt
I was proud to interact with almarst , and especially so
after I read "Muddle in Moscow" http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=533129
..... cited in MD1126 rshowalter
3/17/01 4:57pm ... When I read that story, I imagined, just for
a while, that Dawn and I were communicating with a really powerful
person, and that this person was paying attention. Now, of course, I
know that was a dream. But it was an interesting dream! Dawn
and I did our best to tell almarst things we thought it might
be good for Putin to know -- in the cause of humanity and
peace. And because the exercise was fun, too. Who knows? Maybe
somebody on Putin's staff read a little of it..
I was also thrilled, and honored, to get into contact with
gisterme - - who asked key questions, starting with a
powerful one in his first posting .. MD2997 gisterme
To keep these words going, and to try to sort things out, I've
kept talking. And sometimes enjoyed that talking. And I've been
especially glad to do it, because of the beautiful words and
citations of Dawn Riley.
But the words I really love to read are becq's ,
almarst's , and gisterme's - - -
Because I've been afraid that the world was in danger.
Trying to do something about it, somehow, I've felt less afraid.
Sometimes, it has seemed to me that new reasons for hope have
been taking shape.
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