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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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- 12:31pm Jul 15, 2001 EST (#7054
7/4/01 11:46pm ... MD6614 rshowalter
I was glad, on our Independence Day , to have a chance to post
some of the things I feel are important for the welfare of the
United States, and the world, in eight postings, many of which
include other links.
" When the Soviet Union fell, and everyone, on
all sides, had so much hope, we didn't have an end game -- and the
United States was so tied up with lies, that it could not sort out
problems before it -- or help the Russians sort out their
We should work to fix things now -- not go on making them
- 12:47pm Jul 15, 2001 EST (#7055
In MD7053, I put a ">" where I should have bolded, and
inadvertently conveyed a wrong impression of who said what.
Martin did say that American is becoming very unpopular very
fast, and to an unprecedented degree. I provided my sense of the
reason -- not Martin's. I meant the following passage to read:
"...I think Peter Martin http://www.intellnet.org/news/articles/peter.martin.flying.into.turbulence.html
... is badly twisted, but he is right about this. America is
becoming unpopular -- in ways it hasn't been before.
"It is happening because the Bush administration
is throwing away its claims on the respect of the world at a rate
few could have believed before Bush's inaugaration. "
- 01:14pm Jul 15, 2001 EST (#7056
But perhaps the Bush administration can find a way to do better.
7/4/01 3:46pm .... Enormous stakes , and things that
could be done: (ten links beginning with an important point by
7/4/01 4:19pm ... links to postings of NYT articles cited on
this thread as of June 14th, about 1/3 of total citations on the
thread up to that time.
I believe that the postings make a point about the extent of
information related, in various ways, to ordinary human argument. .
. . .
" People "make sense" of their world in a kind
of statistical way -- and it matters very much, whether the
"information" they condense generalizations from is right or
wrong. The only way to see is by crossmatching, and a good deal of
intellectual work. This is work that all people, everywhere do,
and have to do to be human. We make sense of the world, by a lot
of talking, and a lot of thinking -- and bring patterns into
focus. Often those patterns are wrong -- but when we look at the
same information -- organized in a certain way, most of us, most
of the time, make the same patterns.
Cited articles, linked to postings on this thread, are set out in
6/14/01 7:46am ... and in MD5377-5383 rshowalter
- 01:18pm Jul 15, 2001 EST (#7057
6/18/01 3:45pm ... MD5384 rshowalter
Matters of war and peace, and international
cooperation between the US and Russia, in the world as it is, are
intractably complicated, for similar reasons, and some of the
interactions will take staffs to comb out and master.
This thread is built as an example of what would be required to
meet the needs of this staffed communication.
When two cultures that are very different and have
systematic misunderstandings have to make real peace, and learn to
interact, that will take staffing, too.
We are different enough that we can't "take for
granted" each other's minds -- minds that have been formed by
"swimming" in very different "seas" of information.
Contact, and confident cooperation -- will take work,
accomodation -- and, at a number of levels, i a lot of straight
This thread has clarified concerns, objective and emotional,
between the Russian and American sides at a level of detail that
does not seem to have happened before -- supplying some foundations
of common ground that are going to be necessary parts of any real
7/4/01 9:29am . . . MD6540 rshowalter
Both gisterme and I have agreed that "missile
defense" -- even as a "potempkin village" never deployed,
would be worthwhile if it decentered a previously frozen situation,
and led to a workable , big reduction of world risks and military
That's still true - but for results to be peaceful -- rather than
force a new arms race -- the Bush administration has to act in ways
that make real peace possible, for the real people involved, in the
situation as it is.
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