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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI all over again?

almarst-2001 - 09:50am Jul 3, 2001 EST (#6472 of 6498)

The deportation of former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic to the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia was a direct result of blackmail by the United States. - Professor Marjorie Cohn, Thomas Jefferson School of Law - http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumnew25.htm

almarst-2001 - 09:55am Jul 3, 2001 EST (#6473 of 6498)

The Crime of Aggression: What Is It and Why Doesn't the United States Want the International Criminal Court to Punish It? (March 22, 2001) - Professor Marjorie Cohn, Thomas Jefferson School of Law - http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumnew18.htm

rshowalter - 10:42am Jul 3, 2001 EST (#6474 of 6498)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

Issues of balanced truth are essential now, for the safely of the world.

On that subject, thus far, almarst , and perhaps Putin, too, are holding to a much higher moral and intellectual standard than gisterme , and the US "military industrial complex."

When gisterme asked,

"What can take us forward?"

the answer assumed that there were ways to find common ground on what the truth was. We need to find those ways, and find that common ground.

We can, so long as it is admitted that everybody involved can lie and that it is therefore fair game to check everyone.

That includes gisterme, and her associates, and George W. Bush , and his backers, handlers, and relatives.

And any and all other power holders and stakeholders, as well, when it really matters.

We've made a start.

And the amount of effort from gisterme is significant. If you search "gisterme" on this thread, you find 52 search pages. Much work by gisterme , and much of it of high quality.

All the same, I believe that people wishing to claim that the US is "on the side of the angels" should read what gisterme writes. Too often, her responses "make Machiavelli seem like one of the Sisters of Mercy."

I think Americans, especially Americans who claim a religious faith, should be ashamed of the patterns gisterme so often defends and shows.

gisterme's asked for a "moment of grace" and that's a fine idea. But facts have to be clear, and after the "moment of grace" behavior has to change , on essential patterns of the US that stand in the way of world survival and peace.

Otherwise, no grace.

rshowalter - 10:51am Jul 3, 2001 EST (#6475 of 6498)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

Paul H. Weaver -- a man with plain connections to the right wing of American government circles -- wrote a profound book:

. NEWS AND THE CULTURE OF LYING: How Journalism Really Works --- Free Press, 1994.

MD1294 rshowalter 3/22/01 8:11am .... MD1295 rshowalter 3/22/01 8:22am
MD1296 rshowalter 3/22/01 8:37am

We must face problems Weaver speaks about, that stand in the way of realistic peace, and decency.

The CIA was built by people who knew well how to conceal EVERYTHING important in ways that made them impregnible to the journalistic usages Weaver describes.

The military-industrial complex that was well evolved by World War II, and that Eisenhower did so much to advance, but then warned against in the FAREWELL ADDRESS of President Dwight D. Eisenhower January 17, 1961 http://www.geocities.com/~newgeneration/ikefw.htm ...was highly evolved to evade any compromise of function according to journalistic usages as Weaver describes them. And remains so.

The defenses of these institutions, however, are far less formidible than they used to be. The information "lied about" is mostly not fully concealed -- it is simply made available in forms that Weaver's "culture of journalism" cannot digest. Now, this information is available, and with some new sociotechnical usages that are now fully possible, can be brought to bear in the cause of truth.

rshowalter - 10:55am Jul 3, 2001 EST (#6476 of 6498)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

One approach is set out in the search page for the search "fully workable proposal" -- this thread.

rshowalter - 02:25pm Jul 3, 2001 EST (#6477 of 6498)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

gisterme?

MD6431 rshowalter 7/2/01 7:21pm

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