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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI all over again?

lunarchick - 06:11pm Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5828 of 5846)
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http://www.jps.net/drboylan/mj12org.htm

lunarchick - 06:14pm Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5829 of 5846)
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33 billion dollar increase over current defense budget wanted by Bwsh - October 2001

(USA or AUS dollars ?)

rshowalter - 06:18pm Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5830 of 5846)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

Re MJ12 -- haven't checked any of it -- don't know of any of it is specifically true.

But the patterns are feasible -- and the presence of an absurd justification no barrier -- and with such techniques, and no effective auditing, a great deal of money can be moved, and laundered, and a great deal can be subverted, since the Eisenhower administration.

The mechanics required to fund a "huge right wing conspiracy" -- capable of propaganda, endowment of institutions, and transfer of large money (by means such as the buying of baseball teams) is easily and deeply in place -- with essentially nothing in the society built to check it.

rshowalter - 06:19pm Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5831 of 5846)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

A huge budget, with almost no honest justifications for any large part of it -- since the threats are grossly misstated, and the uses, usually, are too.

lunarchick - 06:22pm Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5832 of 5846)
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The profits from new military expenditure would go ...... where .... ?

rshowalter - 06:25pm Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5833 of 5846)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

The stock market has a lot of unjustifiable valuations -- has for years. Same is true of oil land -- and all sorts of oil transactions -- if you search Carlyle in google - you get 37 pages (in the first level) and there are other firms similarly complex.

Move the money a while -- and with current procedures it is untraceable.

Most, or much, is traceable with better procedures.

rshowalter - 06:25pm Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5834 of 5846)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

MD4485 rshowalter 6/4/01 7:01am ... cites and quotes a VERY interesting article:

Laser Project Hits a Snag; Court Hints At Conflict by JAMES GLANZ http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/30/science/30NIF.html

rshowalter - 06:30pm Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5835 of 5846)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

There are whole established patterns for legitimizing fraud --- all through the military-industrial complex.

One way that works in general is to get a bunch of retired experts to look for fraud and abuse --- asking them to destroy all their social connections. Naturally -- everything is justified. The Osprey hearings were a case of that sort -- somewhat treated on this thread.

The Marines made mistakes, too, but they deserved better than they got from the contractors, and so did the country.

A mistake, maybe unavoidable at first, was covered up for a long time, in a lot of ways, rather than reasonably adressed.

One example of a pattern that is much, much too common -- and a pattern that makes the mechanics of fraud especially easy. Just claim a little more organizational incompetence than you have, get institutional forgiveness, and pocket some misaudited money.

lunarchick - 06:31pm Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5836 of 5846)
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DEATH ROW USA 3,700 people - 'there they sits like birds in the wilderness'

EU find this sadistic & unbelievable !

ndpnyt - 06:41pm Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5837 of 5846)

lunarchick 6/22/01 5:51pm

lunarchick:

When you copy someone else's work - as you very obviously did in the referenced post - be sure to give credit to the author.

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