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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 11:48am Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5771
of 5777) 
Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
gisterme , who functions on this thread extensively as a "
Bush administration official "stand-in" set out
"reasons for and against missile defense" in
MD5691 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?13@184.rbv2aFXlqvs^2084023@.f0ce57b/6086...
MD5692 gisterme
6/21/01 7:52pm
MD5693 gisterme
6/21/01 7:53pm
I have things I find wrong, and incomplete, about these reasons.
Others should judge for themselves.
Looking at this thread, or the larger dialog between
nations, gisterme's reasons, pro and con, miss the key
concern people have with missile defense.
That reason is distrust of the morality and reliability of the
United States, on issues where Thomas Friedman, almarst , and
many other people think US policy, so often expressed by Henry
Kissinger, "can make Machievelli look like one of the Sisters of
Mercy."
THAT is what has to change - for large scale progress
toward real peace to be possible.
President Bush himeself quite recently expressed his concern that
people need to honor the golden rule. He's right on point
about that. If we did so, in our international and military
relations, the fears that motivate missile defense would be much
less justified, and we could find militarily disciplined, organized,
solid ways to be safer ourselves, and have the world safer, too.
rshowalter
- 11:54am Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5772
of 5777)
Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Comment to gisterme . . . MD5586 rshowalter
6/20/01 8:01pm
midmoon
- 11:56am Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5773
of 5777)
It seems Bob quickly regains the vigor just from the
one-day-rest, nice meet yoy Bob, any way!
Do you remember the famous song sung by Eagles "HoTel
California"?
The last part of the sing read as such that "we are programmed to
receive,you can check out any time you like but you can never
leave".
Yes,you roshwalerist are programmed to deny the authencity of the
US government and you can check out this forum any time yoy like but
you can never leave!
The ditinguishing feature of the communists in general is that
they are all liers. This is the remarkable remark of Toynbee,not
mine.
According to Toynbee's logic the Pseudo-communists, especilly the
roshwalerists should be,ought to be and have to be all liars albeit
in a lesser degree.
Why you Pseudo-communists believe in the communism?
Is it a religion or a proxy of it?
If you roshwalerists think the communism a religion or a proxy of
it ,forget it!
Don't you remember that Nietsche already proclaimed the death of
the God?
No God,no religion,is this right?
A blind fold faiths to any false religion will bring a
catastrophy to you and thy neighbours.
Forget it! Believe me!
You should remember! If not,all the leaves brown and all the sky
is grey you see and you will walk alone on your own wintersday.
How misrable it shall be!
Forget it! Believe me!
K(G?)onnichiwa to you!
rshowalter
- 12:03pm Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5774
of 5777)
Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
hello George Johson -- you have many names, and have done a lot
of posting on these threads yourself.
*******
June 20, 2001 Bush: Religious Donations 'Abysmal' By THE
ASSOCIATED PRESS
"`` One of the statistics I noted in my (Notre
Dame) speech was how abysmal corporate giving is to religious
organizations whose sole intent is to help people, people who have
heard the call, 'What can I do to help a neighbor in need,' people
who live by the golden rule,'' Bush said.
We need to be disciplined, and careful, but we need more of
the golden rule in our international relations.
Doing that, and doing it right, takes care, and means we must get
facts straight, a point Senators and other representatives know, as
all other capable Americans do.
rshowalter
- 12:07pm Jun 22, 2001 EST (#5775
of 5777)
Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
It might interest some to search "NAZI" on this thread - - -
there are, I believe, reasons for concern about some US policies,
including some of this administration particularly -- you can look
at the references and judge for yourself. I think there are patterns
that deserve consideration, and my guess is that Putin, and many
other responsible people, including foreign leaders, do as well.
Anybody who calls me a Communist has almost no focus on what that
idea could possibly mean.
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