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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI all over again?


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gisterme - 06:47pm May 11, 2001 EST (#3706 of 3725)

rshowalter wrote: "...And the problems with the system are not "pure science" problems at all -- the game is all Newtonian physics...."

Absolutely right, Robert. It's not a "pure science" problem at all. It's a pure technology problem.

rshowalter - 06:48pm May 11, 2001 EST (#3707 of 3725) Delete Message
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

Diplomatic Effort Fails to Ease Missile Plan Anxiety by PATRICK E. TYLER http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/11/world/11CND-MISSILE.html

"MOSCOW, May 11 — After a week of consultations with allies and former adversaries, the Bush administration has failed to overcome deep concerns over whether its proposal to erect a broad array of missile defenses and abandon a key arms control treaty would undermine the strategic balance and promote an arms race.

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    The Bush administration must be disappointed -- but on the other hand, the degree of communication and focus about nuclear risks and reducing them may be higher than ever before.

    What would it take to get effective prohibition of nuclear weapons, or much better control?

    There are new technical possibilities now, new and broader possibilities of communication, and the cold war is over.

    rshowalter - 06:49pm May 11, 2001 EST (#3708 of 3725) Delete Message
    Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

    And there are plenty of "pure technology" problems that are operationally impossible to solve.

    applez101 - 06:50pm May 11, 2001 EST (#3709 of 3725)

    Bob, I hope you realise that the majority of the postings on this forum are yours alone. Its unhealthy, go for a stroll.

    gisterme - 06:50pm May 11, 2001 EST (#3710 of 3725)

    rshowalter wrote: "...Why we can't convert from "Mutually Assured Destruction" to "Mutually Assured Deterrance" I don't understand...."

    A rose by any other name is yet a rose, Robert. Why not "Mutually Assured Defense"?

    gisterme - 06:55pm May 11, 2001 EST (#3711 of 3725)

    applez wrote: "...To some extent, the thinking is that Deterrence needs the full potential of Destruction in order for it to be viable...."

    A chilling point, applez. Why should we continue to support a paradigm that needs "full potential of destruction" as a prerequisite to viability?

    gisterme - 06:58pm May 11, 2001 EST (#3712 of 3725)

    rshowalter wrote: "...There are new technical possibilities now, new and broader possibilities of communication, and the cold war is over..."

    Sounds almost like the beginning of a new era, eh Robert?

    rshowalter - 07:00pm May 11, 2001 EST (#3713 of 3725) Delete Message
    Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

    The MISSILE DEFENSE thread would total about nine 1 1/2' looseleaf notebooks by now. I summarized it, in a way you might find interesting, and could read quickly, in rshowalter 5/8/01 6:51pm and rshowalter 5/8/01 6:53pm

    There are many interesting postings, by people with a sharply defined and interesting point of view, that are not mine.

    gisterme - 07:06pm May 11, 2001 EST (#3714 of 3725)

    rshowalter wrote: "...And there are plenty of "pure technology" problems that are operationally impossible to solve...."

    ...but many more that aren't or won't be. For how many hundred centuries was the wheel too big of a technology problem to solve?

    rshowalter - 07:08pm May 11, 2001 EST (#3715 of 3725) Delete Message
    Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

    gisterme 5/11/01 6:50pm

    Why not "Mutually Assured Defense"?

    Lots of ways of doing that --- without nukes. With threats and responses reasonably proportional.

    gisterme 5/11/01 6:55pm

    " A chilling point, applez. Why should we continue to support a paradigm that needs "full potential of destruction" as a prerequisite to viability?

    Gisterme, I'm with you on this statement, as far as it goes. Proportional deterrants, including non-nuclear ones, can work.

    gisterme 5/11/01 6:58pm rshowalter wrote about : "... new technical possibilities now, new and broader possibilities of communication, and the cold war is over..."

    Sounds almost like the beginning of a new era, eh Robert?

    Yes, and we need to be sure that it is a better era. Looks like it can be, but we could screw up badly -- and can't afford to.

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