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    Missile Defense

Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI all over again?


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rshowalter - 07:37pm Apr 17, 2001 EST (#2327 of 2332) Delete Message
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

Here is Tayler's next paragraph, that says hopeful things, worth remebering, about the "doomed" sociotechnical system that is Russia:

" Despite the grave images the media show us, the full extent of Russia's weakness is not apparent to most visitors at first. Trains run on time. Stores open on schedule. The obvious poverty of shantytowns ad slums is rare. Though rising sharply, street crime is still less common than in major cities of the West. At times gruff in public, Russians privately maintain a superb civility and dignity, and their oriental tradition of hospitality to strangers puts Westerners to shame. Customs now regarded as quaint (or sexist) in the West, such as a man's opening doors for a woman and paying for his date's meals - are the rule, and only the indigent dress shabbily. Standards of education, especially math and science, exceed those of all but a few Western countries; the average Russian high schooler may have a grasp of U.S. or European history that would humiliate an American college student. The remnants of the Soviet welfare state ensure that few starve; the apartments the Soviet government gave to its citizens make Russia a nation of homeowners to a great extent. . . . . . In sum, few visitors find cause for dispair, and Armageddon seems well at bay. Reform and prosperity, it would seem, are a hair's breadth away, and those hwo would deny this are shortsighted pessimists."

Talyer contrives, at length, to find cause for dispair however, in a very interesting piece. Russia is "destined" to fall apart by its "thousand year history."

I have no doubt that many if not most of the points the piece makes can find reflections in reality.

Even so, the piece shows dangerously oversimplified and hubritic thinking, and connects closely to the questions raised in almarst-2001 4/17/01 1:43pm and almarst-2001 4/17/01 2:09pm .

rshowalter - 07:43pm Apr 17, 2001 EST (#2328 of 2332) Delete Message
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

NOBODY is as smart as Tayler thinks he is, and as Tayler makes his readers think they are.

Much, much too often, we forget this about ourselves, and about others.

All others.

Sociotechnical systems are far more complex than anything we can fit into our heads -- and sweeping statements and judgements about them can be, at best, dangerously incomplete but tolerably useful.

Quite often, they are dangerously incomplete, credible to those who believe them, and disastrous.

Practically and morally, too.

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    For inescapable reasons, we need facts to match to, and plenty of them -- and need them much more than we are likely to know. We think we understand our world, but it is bigger than we are.

    rshowalter - 07:45pm Apr 17, 2001 EST (#2329 of 2332) Delete Message
    Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

    I'll be referring to

    md1127: http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?7@174.5psZaAXImNj^537289@.f0ce57b/
    md 1128: rshowalter 3/17/01 5:31pm
    md1129: rshowalter 3/17/01 5:38pm

    Rape Camp - by Dawn Riley http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?13@@.ee79f4e/1512

    md1130: rshowalter 3/17/01 5:38pm
    md1131: rshowalter 3/17/01 6:02pm
    md1132: rshowalter 3/17/01 6:10pm
    md1133:rshowalter 3/17/01 6:13pm
    md1134:rshowalter 3/17/01 6:17pm
    md1135:rshowalter 3/17/01 6:19pm
    md1136:rshowalter 3/17/01 6:24pm
    and 1138: rshowalter 3/17/01 7:20pm

    Which deal with essential points about complexity, and also about psychological warfare.

    rshowalter - 07:47pm Apr 17, 2001 EST (#2330 of 2332) Delete Message
    Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu

    When we apply SIMPLE models of structure to circumstances that have a more complicated structure than we are thinking of, we can get into trouble.

    We can fail to see how thing work.

    And we can be misled by thinking we see "contradictions" where there are no logical contradictions -- though there may be aesthetic or moral tensions.

    A complex system can be two "contradictory" things at the same time -- in different places within the larger structure -- without contradiction.

    It you know it -- solutions that seem "classified out of existence" are seen, and these solutions can be real.

    Some moral points can get clarified, too.

    People can be monsters and good people at ONCE - in different aspects of their lives, or at different times.

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