Forums

toolbar



 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

Read Debates, a new Web-only feature culled from Readers' Opinions, published every Thursday.


Earliest Messages Previous Messages Recent Messages Outline (10971 previous messages)

lchic - 12:48am Jan 23, 2002 EST (#10972 of 10987)

Where the USA falls short on EU entry standards: Quality starts with the head, not 'off with it', rather remodel and re-educate and re-release when possible.
Interesting that 1 out of every 7 prisoners, Killed by the State in the USA, are actually innocent Seems the US ought to be taking a good look at the Standards of Europe - especially in light of recent criticsm of tiger caging in Cuba.

    ANKARA Deputy Prime Minister Mesut Yilmaz said Sunday that Turkey aimed to abolish the death penalty this year as it strives to meet European Union standards.
    Turkey has not carried out any executions since the mid-1980s, but capital punishment remains on the statute books. The EU, which made Turkey a candidate in 1999, has said it expects abolition of the penalty and other human rights reforms before accession talks can begin.
    "Our goal is for the death penalty to be completely lifted from the penal code," Mr. Yilmaz, who oversees Turkey's relations with the EU, said in a TV interview. ANKARA Deputy Prime Minister Mesut Yilmaz said Sunday that Turkey aimed to abolish the death penalty this year as it strives to meet European Union standards. http://www.iht.com/articles/45417.html

lchic - 01:01am Jan 23, 2002 EST (#10973 of 10987)

Professor Brian Wynne of Lancaster U(UK) has noted a trend towards a national 'gut feeling' .. the UK population reached a point where they did not believe anything told them by their government that was lying and hiding the truth.

Such gut feelings are happening world wide regarding US approach to (war/non-war) prisoners, happening in the US re Enron, happening worldwide re failure of US to take initiatives relating to a cleaner less polluted world - including the clean up of the nuclear mess.

lchic - 01:37am Jan 23, 2002 EST (#10974 of 10987)

The 'advanced' GERMAN Economy is suffering. One factor here is that country can be relied upon to produce 'quality' product for advancing economies. If the technically advanced, including the USA, want to have and hold markets .. then they must assist the development of economies ranked a little below their own, in order for there to be a Demand for product.

Were the US to 'release' those captured in the MD time capsule they might be deployed to assist 2nd and 3rd tier economies to grow .. and have the capacity to buy product from the US - thus assisting that economy to continue to be robust.

jack_hillbern - 02:09am Jan 23, 2002 EST (#10975 of 10987)
Paul Krugman was on an advisory board at Enron and collected $50K.

lchic 1/23/02 1:37am

Germany:

58.4 billion exported to the US

40.9 billion imported from the US

And you propose a further transfer of our wealth to Germany.

jack_hillbern - 02:13am Jan 23, 2002 EST (#10976 of 10987)
Paul Krugman was on an advisory board at Enron and collected $50K.

lchic 1/23/02 12:48am

"Interesting that 1 out of every 7 prisoners, Killed by the State in the USA, are actually innocent"

That's just a bunch of crap.

lchic - 07:00am Jan 23, 2002 EST (#10977 of 10987)

Am i to mistake your words for figures? jack_hillbern 1/23/02 2:13am The 1:7 is figure quoted by pro-life lobby, who also talk of race, poverty and access to legal representation!

lchic - 07:16am Jan 23, 2002 EST (#10978 of 10987)

You're reading in a 'mutual exclusivity' jack_hillbern 1/23/02 2:09am re Advanced Economies and trade - it wasn't implied.

lchic - 08:03am Jan 23, 2002 EST (#10979 of 10987)

Seems superficial? Dances on air? The logic almost fits but isn't impressive?
Much is underpinned by the then as yet undiscovered:

Bridges have come a long way, can join the past with the present, the traditional to the advanced. Bridge Engineers can see the value in the work they do.
Folks often think they know until tools and guides come along that assist and improve understanding - grounding and anchoring logics for use in a qualitatively improved impressive future.

rshow55 - 08:45am Jan 23, 2002 EST (#10980 of 10987) Delete Message

Interesting posts. I'll respond. But I'd like to repeat this post, about the stakes involved here, and some things that could be done, that ought to be in the American tradition.

MD10961 rshow55 1/22/02 12:49pm

mazza9 - 10:42am Jan 23, 2002 EST (#10981 of 10987)
Louis Mazza

lchic:

So you don't "believe in precision munitions. Do you believe in Santa Claus? Does your beliefs have any validity in a science forum? would you consider testing your belief by sitting in a portapotty and allowing me to target you from 40,000' with one precision guided 2000lb bomb? The GPS guided munitions have a small CEP and I can assure you I wouldn't be in that portapotty. But heck, if you're a person that lives by his beliefs rather than fact then "Ad Dios"

LouMazza

More Messages Unread Messages Recent Messages (6 following messages)

 Read Subscriptions  Subscribe  Search  Post Message
 Email to Sysop  Your Preferences

 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  / Missile Defense







Home | Site Index | Site Search | Forums | Archives | Shopping

News | Business | International | National | New York Region | NYT Front Page | Obituaries | Politics | Quick News | Sports | Science | Technology/Internet | Weather
Editorial | Op-Ed

Features | Arts | Automobiles | Books | Cartoons | Crossword | Games | Job Market | Living | Magazine | Real Estate | Travel | Week in Review

Help/Feedback | Classifieds | Services | New York Today

Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company