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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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rshowalter
- 10:19pm Oct 6, 2001 EST (#10170
of 10176) 
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
On Powell, and press coverage of him, that makes him look
especially good now:
MD8992 rshowalter
9/3/01 7:45pm
I can personally testify that Secretary Powell did not inherit a
"rose garden".
MD8393 rshowalter
9/3/01 9:02pm
Poems cited in http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?13@@.ee7b085/193
have been deleted with the links stated, but are:
Chain
Breakers http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee79f4e/618
Secular Redemption http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee79f4e/619
.... and a link that explains what this "bloke, doing the best he
can" owes to Dawn Riley:
. Learning to Stand http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?13@@.ee79f4e/662
If I ever accomplish anything at all, it will be due to the
brilliance and grace of Dawn Riley.
armel7
- 07:55pm Oct 7, 2001 EST (#10171
of 10176)
Science/Health Forums Host
I've stopped deleting only because my wrist is tired.
rshowalter -- you've been warned repeatedly about posting
messages which only refer to you previous posts. I just deleted two
more such posts. Please deseist or be blocked.
This forum is for discussing the science of missile defense
systems, particularly related to current propositions. It is not
about sociological theory of conflicts (rshowalter) or about
proving Genesis is from God (possumdag) or about the war in
Afghanistan (everybody).
Your host,
Michael Scott Armel
rshowalter
- 10:00pm Oct 7, 2001 EST (#10172
of 10176)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Let's talk some about accuracy in the morning.
Out for tonight. I appreciate the chance to post in this forum.
I'll try to get a collection of NYT pieces on missile defense, since
September 9th, posted tomorrow morning.
Dawn, I never got a chance to respond to your wonderful posting
on Afghanistan -- and now it has been deleted. I have a copy, and it
is great stuff.
I do hope that I can connect past arguments to future ones --
that, I've thought, is what the internet is largely for. I need,
sometimes, to refer to past arguments - - but I won't just post
naked references to previous posts any more.
possumdag
- 08:06am Oct 8, 2001 EST (#10173
of 10176)
"Today is silhouetted in my mind" Copp, L A
(1971)
On hitting targets:
One notes the current newsforcasts depict an 'explanationary
figure' saying that ground-zero conventional has been chosen over
lasar directed*
- current media clip
- re a current conflict
* Suggests lasar directed aren't accurate?
armel7
- 01:19pm Oct 8, 2001 EST (#10174
of 10176)
Science/Health Forums Host
possumdag -- You have been warned repeatedly about
off-topic posts. You are blocked.
fructidor -- You are being warned for off-topic posting.
Please take anthrax and terrorist-related posts to
rebecca_nyt
"America Attacks" 10/8/01 1:23pm
rshowalter -- Before I do an IP check, I'll give you a
chance to tell me which other aliases you are using here or
elsewhere.
Your host,
Michael Scott Armel
rshowalter
- 02:34pm Oct 8, 2001 EST (#10175
of 10176)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I am using no aliases here or elsewhere. Nor have I ever. I
wouldn't have felt comfortable doing so. Some of my names on
postings over the years may be "showalter" or "rshowalt" or
"rshowalter" - - but all are recognizable, or intended to be . I'm
in the Madison Wisconsin phone book, and you're welcome to call me.
If you have questions, I'll try to be forthcoming, within the usual
limits.
What's an IP check?
rshowalter
- 03:03pm Oct 8, 2001 EST (#10176
of 10176)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
There are some postings, way back, where I was using an "alias"
--- that is, I was using my father's computer, and was automatically
given a name not my own -- I was responding in a way where my
identity was clear in context. It was 2 years ago, I think, and
involved time lags in bat audition. In the Brain forum, I think.
I've done enough, over the years, that I might have posted
somewhere else without using my own name, but don't think I did,
subject to my recollection.
I'm prepared to consider answering any questions about context or
motivation involved with any of my postings, if the questions are
asked for a serious purpose, by someone having a reasonable reason
to ask. I may have made mistakes, but I've tried to act in good
faith, as I've understood the term in context, and would like a
chance to show that. If you want to say
" Showalter's a liar . ."
well, that holds true, in various ways of all human beings. And I
have the same mixed motivations anybody else would have. And all the
same fallibilities. But if you think I'm lying on something
specific, and have reason to check, and I agree with the reason (in
a context that could stand the light of day) I'll try to react
honestly, in ways that further the cause of truth.
Even at some risk to myself, within reason.
  
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