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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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- 09:58am Apr 5, 2001 EST (#1996
Storage is getting very, very cheap: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/technology/05STORR.html
In the Storage Race, Will Consumers Win? By MICHEL MARRIOTT
" The modern news genre has its origins in a
sweeping but little-understood revolution at the turn of the (20th
century) by figures like Joseph Pulitzer, Ivy Ledbetter Lee, and
Woodrow Wilson, who helped to gut the liberal traditions of
American democracy and replace them with a system of
constitutional oligarchy based on news, the public-relations
oriented corporation, and the activist presidency.
That revolution was based on usages that relied on limitations of
human memory, and limitations on the human ability to handle
complexity. With the internet, those limits can be radically
extended, and the techniqus of the "culture of lying" can be placed
under new, powerful, and entertaining pressure, in the public
Not only would this change be in the public interest. It would be
entertaining ! And with storage as cheap as it is now, manageable.
major social problems, and reasonable hopes for their solution,
depend on how the press functions. rshowalter
If mainstream journalism powers changed their procedures and
policies only just a little, the penalties for bad faith an lying by
politicians and "political operatives" might increase radically,
quickly, entertainingly, and at low cost. rshowalter
The technology of the internet is making the techniques of
opinion manipulation developed before WWI (and highly evolved since)
much more vulnerable than they used to be, because many more words
are available; content can be available, subject to very extensive
crossreferencing over very extended times; and there is therefore
much more possibility of getting issues considered to a level that
permits closure. rshowalter
What if subjects of stories were routinely notified, and denials
or discussions were made available on the internet - archived as the
I think the change would be practical, would act to increase the
power and reliability of journalism, and could be self supporting,
or even a money-maker. rshowalter
- 09:59am Apr 5, 2001 EST (#1997
Detailed discussion on nuclear weapons matters, involving
journalists and others, might be a good place to perfect all the
technology this would need.
- 11:16am Apr 5, 2001 EST (#1998
"Clinton was pushed into Yugslavia by Europe"
Wery well may be. But this does not reduces his responsibility,
particularelly since the NATO is under US command. Additionally,
there are many indications of much earlier CIA-KLA cooperation. The
Rambullette (spelling?) was reported as designed by US (appendix A
on a "technical" details is particularelly noticable requesting the
de-facto NATO occupation of the whole Serbia).
The famous "fields of death" of up to a 100000 Albanians used as
a reason for a bombing was "based" on data provided by US satelites.
The UN War crimes tribunal was financed in large part directly by
US and issued an indictement against Milosovic just couple of weeks
after the bombing started in a clear attempt to sabotage any
possible negotiations less then unconditional capitulation.
The actual bombing was planned and approved by Pentagon before
presented to European partners, supported by US provided
inteliigence data. The bombing of Chinese Embassy was executed in
absolute secret by B-2 bombers which flew directly from US.
"On Monica - she has a higher intellect than Bush."
At least she used it more;)
"Travellers say Hong Kong is now a 'dirty' city (as is
London), and that there is no understanding of the needs of the
travelling customer -- they're coming unstuck!"
Sorry, can't compare - never was there. Do you think they
replaced the street cleaners or cut the budget?
"Checnia-Russia ... is there an omission here ... doesn't
Russia refuse to give Checnia independence ... and isn't this
related to resources? Better they have it and Russia pays, or pays
rent, for facilities crossing that zone."
There are many problems in this area the Russia is very sensitive
- Mixed population, particularelly in cities, up to 50-60%
- Strategic location for existing and planned Caspian oil pipes
plus some local oil production.
- Strategic location vis-a-vi Gorgia and Turkey.
- Fear of spread of armed Islamic fundamentalism openly supported
by Taliban, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
- During 2 years of "independence" after the first war with
Russia, Chechnia became a terrorist-mafia heaven, the main route of
narco and human traffic to Europe. As well as a base for frequent
invasion, terror and incitement of near-by southern-russian
territories with mixed national populations.
- Chechnia was never an independent state, but always a very
independent tribal area having the longest historical alingment with
Turkey and used as a major Turkish outpost against Russia for
centuries. Just like the Russian Casaks played the opposite role on
the Russian side.
"On Putin's speech ... his speech would have been visionary ..
the detail can be filled in appropriatly - later."
Sorry, have not heard.
"On understanding Germany"
Let's hope the past will never be repeated. But I was more
interested in a Russia-Germany relations which have repeated the
same phases many times in a past. They always have a closing period
followed by a sadden break and war. Usually as Germany gets an
illusion of its relative power and Russias demise. Doesn't seem to
may happen again this time.
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