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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI all over again?

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dirac_10 - 11:14am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#1672 of 1680)

sumofallfears - 10:40am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#1667 of 1671)

Why would the "North Koreans" "Do it" as you say?

Assuming that they will act rationally? I don't assume that they will act rationally. And in a few years there will be many more ruthless predatory dictators that will have the ability. I think it is foolish to think they will all act rationally at all times. And of course, there are a wealth of potential Stalin's in this world. People that could care less about other humans. Perhaps as Saddam is dying of cancer, he makes the "rational" decision to take all his enemies with him. Last laugh kind of thing. He has proven that he could care less about the Iraqi people.

and why would Iraq do it, in particular when did not do so when its very nation was being taken to the cleaners by allied forces.

He didn't do it then because we would have most certainly killed him. In addition to the aforementioned "rational" deathbed getting even, it is not safe to assume he and all the other ruthless dictators will act rationally for all time.

Actually to say North Korea would utilize WMD for no reason other then to attack America is actually quite "ridiculous".

Yeah, "ridiculous" to not assume all dictators will act rationally and will care about the harm to the human race.

Defend your thinking. Or is that too hard?

Pretty easy to defend if you don't have such a high opinion of dictators, terrorists, and criminal orginizations.

rshowalter - 11:14am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#1673 of 1680) Delete Message
Robert Showalter

almarst-2001, you make a key point.

I have contacted a person in Ken P. Cohen's chain of command at ExxonMobil, through proper channels, and sent him the contents of

1566, rshowalter 3/27/01 6:33am

and 1589 rshowalter 3/28/01 7:58am and some related information. People will look at it, I think.

dirac_10 - 11:16am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#1674 of 1680)

lunarchick - 10:41am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#1668 of 1672)

Sounds like:

Diffusion Theory ...

data/knowledge moving backwards and forwards fueld by greed(dollars).

Well, the ideological thing is gone. Nothing but greed left.

lunarchick - 11:22am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#1675 of 1680)

On Whacko 'dictators' ... how do they arise ? How can ONE luney-tune rise to the pinnacle of power .. rather than be directed to the psychiatric department for necessary 'treatment' ?

Usually Chaos is their floatation mechanism. Through dis_order they promote policies that are patriotic, wild, and unchecked. Once they have power they lock out democratic discourse and 'trash' their own people additional to making war on others.

dirac_10 - 11:24am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#1676 of 1680)

almarst-2001 - 10:52am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#1671 of 1674)

Dirac surelly missed the point that there is no defence against someone irrational.

I assume they will be irrational. With enough of them running around for enough time, you can count on it. You guys are the ones that think the dictators will act rationally with their ICBMs.

And there many more ways to inflict the harm then lunch a missile.

Well yes of course. But there are very solid reasons why the US and Russia put all that money into them.

A missle can be launched with a push of a button. At any time.

A mason jar with Russian weaponized smallpox has to be sent here. And generally speaking prepositioned. People have to be aware of the plan. It is not safe to assume we would not find out. And if we did, the result would be the same as the launch of the ICBMs.

lunarchick - 11:26am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#1677 of 1680)

Missiles are anti clean air. The German Chancellor is putting 'clean air' at the TOP of his list as he meets (soon) with your bushed 'top cockey' ( that's a parrot where i stand, from your viewpoint - may be a lame_duck! )

almarst-2001 - 11:28am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#1678 of 1680)

dirac_10 3/29/01 11:24am

It seems you clearly contradict yourself by trying to rationalise the response of someone supposedly irrational.

Could you prevent the Oklahoma bombing for example?

dirac_10 - 11:29am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#1679 of 1680)

rshowalter - 11:14am Mar 29, 2001 EST (#1673 of 1676)

You sure sound like my old pal Philip Hendrik I used to chat with on another forum.

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