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- 08:54pm Mar 26, 2001 EST (#1558
Groups of people can be absolutely sure of ideas that are
completely wrong -- and do grave damage. The record of the medical
profession has many gruesome examples.
OUR FATHERS OF OLD Rudyard Kipling
Excellent herbs had our fathers of old
Excellent herbs to
ease their pain
Alexanders and Marigold
Basil, Rocket, Valerian, Rue
themselves they run)
Vervain, Dittany, Cann-me-to-you
Cowslip, Meiilot, Rose of the Sun
Anything green that grew
out of the mould
Was an excellent herb to our fathers of old.
Wonderful tales had our fathers of old,
Wonderful tales of
the herbs and the stars
The Sun was Lord of the Marigold,
Basil and Rocket belonged to Mars.
Pat as a sum in division it goes
(Every herb had a planet
Who but Venus should govern the Rose,
Jupiter own the Oak?
Simply and gravely the facts are told
In the wonderful books of our fathers of old.
Wonderful little, when all is said,
Wonderful little our
Half of their remedies cured you dead
their teaching was quite untrue
"Look at the stars when a
patient is ill."
(Dirt has nothing to do with disease.)
Bleed and blister as much as you will,
Blister and bleed as
oft as you please."
Whence enormous and manifold
made by our fathers of old.
Yet when the sickness was sore on the land,
planets nor herbs assuaged,
They took their lives in their
And oh, what a wonderful war they waged!
when the crosses were chalked on the door
(Yes, when the
terrible dead-cart rolled!)
Excellent courage our fathers bore
Excellent heart had our fathers of old.
None too learned,
but nobly bold
Into the fight went our fathers of old.
If it be certain, as Galen says
And sage Hippocrates holds as
"That those afflicted by doubts and dismays
mightily helped by a dead man's touch,"
Then, be good to us,
Then, be good to us, herbs below!
afflicted by what we can prove,
We are distracted by what we
So - ah, so!
Down from your heaven or up from your
Send us the hearts of our fathers of old!
- 08:55pm Mar 26, 2001 EST (#1559
"Health in the News" 3/1/00 10:29am rshowalter - 10:29am Mar 1,
2000 EST (#489 of 1676) Robert Showalter email@example.com
Kipling's doctors of old were people. Caring people. Smart
people. How could they have believed the nonsense they did, and
inflicted the injury they did on patients, for so many cocksure
Let me repeat, because it is so hard to forget: these were
people, with the perceptual and psychological limitations all people
Often, where we have the most anxiety, or anxiety mixed with
stress, we become the most "convinced" and the least susceptible to
"If it be certain, as Galen says - And sage Hippocrates holds as
much - "That those afflicted by doubts and dismays Are mightily
helped by a dead man's touch," That line gripped me. Think about it.
If you touch the corpse of a man you tried to save, you may become
especially sure of your judgement. You WANT your judgement to have
been right, and want that very badly. That's understandable, but not
logical. Such motivations, common to medicine, are good reason for
doubt of subjectivity, and good reason to value clinical trial, when
tests are possible. It seems to me that doctors, like others who
live in crises and close to trauma, can easily forget that
emotionally, we can be MOST convinced where we have the LEAST reason
behind our opinion. Doctors are neither more nor less than human.
That goes for military people, too.
Is there reason to think the arguments for "Star Wars" are any
better than the arguments of "Our Fathers of Old?" Why?
- 09:06pm Mar 26, 2001 EST (#1560
The American in North Korea is surprised re the emphasis on
'productivity' ... if Mr Kim is the President of NK, and was
educated in Germany, then his tour of factories does make sense. The
wealth of the country will be dependent on production, financed from
South Korea. Having jobs will be the way forward.
The NEWS from CHINA tv has a simmilar emphasis.
On assumes that there will be cultural programming somewhere on
- 09:13pm Mar 26, 2001 EST (#1561
Austria:far right ousted: latest elections are swinging to center
from far right-wing-extremists. People responded to the publisised
negative neo-natzi acts against 'migrants' by voting against them.
So patriotism has been moderated by realism.
- 09:14pm Mar 26, 2001 EST (#1562
In DARK SUN: The Making of the Atomic Bomb Pulitzer Prize
winning author Richard Rhodes documents that
" US firebombing of North Korean cities and the
bombing of large dams killed more than two million civilians."
Could it be, that after that injury, for that culture, especially
with us the allies of the hated Japanese, the Koreans could not
That might explain a lot. It would also indicate that North Korea
is a human tragedy that deserves careful, redemptive attention --
not more harshness toward a country that may simple have been
immobilized by an injury that we inflicted.
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