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Nazi engineer and Disney space advisor Wernher Von Braun helped
give us rocket science. Today, the legacy of military aeronautics
has many manifestations from SDI to advanced ballistic missiles. Now
there is a controversial push for a new missile defense system. What
will be the role of missile defense in the new geopolitical climate
and in the new scientific era?
(510 previous messages)
- 05:47am Nov 20, 2000 EST (#511
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From: Give the public what they want, dept.
No, I'm sorry I am completely unaware of your ordeal under the
media gauntlet. What did the Times have to "check out"...whether or
not you were some bum begging quarters so you could go use the
dripping public terminal down at the bus depot to spam your "wisdom"
the world over ?!?!?
Yah, well, I know yer type ye leaky old gaffer...and ye better
stay in yer nasty burrow under the bridge when I come round wif
Steel Reserve in me belly, and Steel Martins on my toes......
- 06:24am Nov 20, 2000 EST (#512
"Paradigm Shift - whose getting there" http://talk.guardianunlimited.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/0
sets the issue out, from my perspective, in a way I hope is both
clear and civil.
On the technical matter, are you interested?
I think some people are, and I'm trying to get a key question,
that traces back more than 300 years, answered. You can see the
issue, clearly stated, several places in the thread cited above,
including towards the end.
The issue is a big scale matter of life and death, and not only
my own. There's a great deal of money connected to the issue, as
If Steve Kline and I are wrong, and then I'll be little more than
a grease spot professionally. There will be little need for your
steel toed boots.
If I'm right, the technical point matters, and I have hope for
But there's also a lesson I'd like to teach - that I should have
emphasized in #509-510 here.
It is this. With currently accepted cultural moral standards,
checking is never morally forcing in the face of high status
opposers with a direct stake - checking is one good among a number,
but not forcing. In the rare but important cases where paradigm
conflicts occur, some accomodations have to be made, so that, for
these cases, checking is forcing.
Without that, no amount of hard work, and no amount of effort
(including, and I know this, much good faith) will get
closure. And on these paradigm conflict issues, closure on simple,
clear, but wrenching questions is what is necessary.
In dealing with me, The New York Times showed some very
high ethical and technical function, according to a moral standard,
that is now accepted throughout society, that blocked the simple,
but stark, checking that was needed under conditions of real
conflict and perceptual unease of stakeholders.
According to that standard, the TIMES could have hardly
done better. But according to that standard, the problem, recognized
to be important by almost everybody concerned (at least much of the
time) was insoluble.
It is the moral priority decision itself that is wrong, and needs
changing, for paradigm conflict circumstances.
- 06:37am Nov 24, 2000 EST (#513
U.S. Hails China on Missile Pledge
Updated 3:20 AM ET November 22, 2000
By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - China's promise to not help other countries
develop ballistic missiles could slow down Iran's ambitious weapons
program, U.S. officials say.
But like a similar pledge by Russia, which has not blocked all
assistance to Iran, the pledge announced in Beijing and welcomed at
the State Department is only as good as China's willingness to
implement it, the officials said Tuesday.
Still, the administration responded by immediately waiving
economic sanctions on Chinese companies suspected of assisting
Pakistan and Iran in the past.
"This development can strengthen cooperation between the United
States and China to achieve our common objective of preventing the
spread of ballistic missiles that threaten regional and
international security," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher
As a result, the United States will resume processing licenses
for commercial space cooperation between American and Chinese
companies, including the launching of U.S. satellites in China,
The two countries also will resume negotiations on extending a
1995 agreement on international trade, he said.
However, Boucher said, new sanctions will be imposed on Iranian
and Pakistani military and civilian groups for receiving ballistic
missile technology from China.
In Iran, the sanctioned entities are the Defense Industry
Organization, the Ministry of Defense and Armed Forces Logistics and
The sanctioned entities in Pakistan are the Ministry of Defense
and the Space and Upper-Atmosphere Research Commission and their
sub-units and successors.
Boucher said this means that for two years all new U.S.
government contracts will be denied to the Pakistani Ministry of
Defense, Space and Upper-Atmosphere Research Commission and there
will be no imports of their products into the United States.
The new sanctions will have very limited economic effect because
of a U.S. embargo against Iran and earlier U.S. sanctions against
Iran and Pakistan, Boucher said. "But they do send a strong signal
that the United States opposes these countries' missiles programs."
U.S. officials are not minimizing the promise, especially since
it follows a similar pledge by North Korea not to export technology
to countries for ballistic missile programs.
China's promise not to sell missiles or components to countries
bent on developing nuclear weapons could ease tensions with
Washington over long-suspected aid to Pakistan, Iran and North
The statement, released by the Chinese Foreign Ministry, was
China's most explicit pledge to date on refraining from spreading
missile technology. It covered not only whole missile systems, which
Beijing agreed not to transfer two years ago, but also dual-use
components that could be used in other technologies.
"China has no intention to assist, in any way, any country in the
development of ballistic missiles that can be used to deliver
nuclear weapons," Foreign Ministry spokesman Sun Yuxi said in the
statement carried by the official Xinhua News Agency. http://news.excite.com/news/ap/001122/03/int-us-china
- 11:47pm Dec 2, 2000 EST (#514
See simplicity in the complicated.
The New York Times showed some very high ethical and technical
function, according to a moral standard, that is now accepted
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